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I happen to believe it isn't a violation of the campaign finance laws but a lawyer smarter than me could probably make an argument --? >> why not? >> you have to prove intent and i don't think you can prove it in a case like that. the federal election statutes are primarily meant to be civil. that doesn't mean that you can't have a criminal violation of the fec provisions, but that's just my personal opinion. i'll tell you this, if -- if the special counsel thinks that anybody violated the fec laws in a criminal way, i suspect he'll bring an indictment but i also make this prediction. he's not...

Engage in this transaction with ami, might it violate the campaign election act? mcgahn was his election attorney. if there were an issue of compliance with the fec laws, mcgahn would have been consulted. instead, we know ami met with whom? met with the campaign staff, with political operatives. moreover, there was so much here that was designed to hide what was going on. we know that there was a phony invoice pretending that this was payments for services. there was a shell company set up to carry this out. pecker sent a memo to cohen saying tear up the documents so there's no evidence of wha...