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What it spares him is a substantive defense on the merits. >> even the testimony against him is oftentimes by himself, standing on the white house lawn asking other countries, foreign countries to meddle in our elections. you know, even his own words, right, he's often his own worst enemy. you also wrote that it's his behavior that makes impeachment necessary, also makes for an escape hatch. explain what you mean by that. >> the irresponsible -- the feckless demagogue, the one who engages in the conduct we're talking about, then after having gotten into trouble, if you will, with that behavior...

To create an alternative reality like that. what it spares him of course is a substantive defense on the merits. >> even the testimony against him is oftentimes by himself, standing on the white house lawn asking other countries, foreign countries to meddle in our elections. you know, even his own words, right? he's often his own worst enemy. you also wrote that the behavior that makes impeachment -- it's his behavior that makes impeachment necessary, also makes for an escape hatch. explain what you mean by that. >> the irresponsible -- the feckless demagogue, the one who engages in the conduc...