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They took the wall down. he had everything going for him. he didn't want people to like him. he wanted them to fear him, and they did fear him. number two, he also had the strategic -- the star wars, remember that? the fbi. >> 15 years before it was ever -- >> he put intermediate -- >> i'll tell you this, you're going to tell me, star wars, the fbi had nothing to do? >> i think it did. let me ask you, you think reagan would stand on the border of kiev and say get out? >> he doesn't have to. >> the most important thing reagan did besides draining and bringing the russians to their knees which i...

Divisiveness created by a party to win an election. is there such a thing as a patriotic fervor. >> we're talking about ukraine, right? we have almost no trade -- about a billion and a half dollars in ukraine with ukraine. import about $1.9 billion. the eu has $32 billion in and out. this is the eu's fight. this isn't our fight. there's nothing really in this for us other than trying to flex our muscle and say, hey, vlad, listen, we're tired of you playing that game. >> i disagree. >> but there are other tyrants around the world that pay attention to that. >> our trade with europe is important...

It seems to mnow that we had th additional oil discoveries, now over 50% of our oil is our own, why not send oil to them? >> oil? >> yeah. >> crude oil? >> yeah, because there's a ban on it. >> ship oil and oil products? >> the world already exports clean gas to places like china while we export dirty crude. ukraine is bye-bye. it's lost. no getting them to join the eu. if putin wants to take it, it's his to take. >> i don't think that's all lost. i actually think that both ukraine and georgia now, this might light a spark under europe enough to allow a discussion to allow them into nato, whic...