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Be democrat mond be demonized. i think that if we're not careful and don't honor that and don't think through that and shuffle it under the rug, then we're neglecting part of the heritage. >> as a southerner, believe me, i get southern pride, but do you think to the african-americans who were slaves during that time and for them and for the people in the north and in the south, that's what the war was about to end slavery and the south did not want to end that. do you get that? >> i understand that part. but there's a lot of things that our history books and they leave out. it's not just stric...

Prosecutors. so, those extra measures were in place. and as far as their happening to pickup communications from the president of the united states, that's no different from picking it up from anyone at all. so, it's really brazenly wrong for giuliani to suggest there is anything illegal here. >> so, julie ainsley, let me ask you to pick that up and marry up your reporting which no one is disputing the facts of it. it seems like the push back is that rudy giuliani saying -- debating the justice of it. that no one has a right to listen to the president's phone line. but that's not the fact of y...