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It just kicked up even more. i don't remember -- i remember making that turn. my legs were killing me. you know, my calf was hurting. i don't remember feeling anything, you know, and i don't remember people screaming or crying, you know. people without limbs and there was no sounds, you know, when i got to her we hugged and i remember i just told someone else, you know, with cnn in spanish, somebody interviewed us right when we finished. >> right after it happened. >> i don't remember, to be honest with you. >> we were in shock, still. >> we're glad you guys are okay. >> thank you. >> apprecia...

You know, i remember really vividly the morning after the victims literally had changed overnight because i was out there while it was going on, tuesday afternoon, and there was all sorts of massive confusion, people were running around crying, hugging each other. it was kind of pandemonium and what you would expect, but by the next morning, none of the kids were crying and they weren't really emoting at all. they were walking around like emotional zombies, i hate to say that, but with no emotion at all, and they were really open about talking about it. they could all tell you exactly when the...

A very powerful time. it's a time when essentially they're controlling the life of the victim. they're playing god. >> do you recall feeling anything? did you like the control? did you like the power you had over her? >> wasn't aware of it at the time. >> okay. are you aware of it now? >> i think of it because it's been mentioned. you're not the first one to mention it. >> when you ask a psychopath, well, how did you feel about that? they -- they sort of rock back because they don't really know how they felt about it because they didn't feel anything. >> rifkin dismembers julie blackbird and p...

And for many offenders, this is a very powerful time. it's a time when essentially they're controlling the life of the victim. they're playing god. >> do you recall feeling anything? did you like the control? did you like the power you had over her? >> wasn't aware of it at the time. >> okay. are you aware of it now? >> i think of it because it's been mentioned. you're not the first one to mention it. >> when you ask a psychopath, well, how did you feel about that? they -- they sort of rock back because they don't really know how they felt about it because they didn't feel anything. >> rifkin ...

Kids. luke will never get to see his prayers answered. >> definitely they have to always hold on to the truth. >> luke will never get to see love in his wife's eyes. >> i don't ever want them to stop remembering that. >> luke will never get to have another christmas. >> we all walk with our past. you have to walk with that. >> luke will never get to hope again. luke will never get to know how sorry i am. i miss him a lot. he was a good friend. he was a better friend than i was. i went a long, long time without feeling anything. then when i started feeling again and i just worry that i