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Up and in many places still today is a place of community, it's a place of belonging, it's a place of hope, politics you would like to not hear from the ultra but as you say it is coming up more and more. how do you get back to the essence of what the church always has been? >> well, i think we're in the middle of a crisis and i do not think that is necessarily a bad thing, i think that what often happens is that out of crises something new is formed. and i think you have a lot of evangelical christians right now who are feeling homeless, feeling disoriented, many evangelical say man, i don't ...

We'll have more snow in the next day or two, it's during cold weather and the cold can mask other symptoms, right? >> that's so true and that's especially true for heart attacks. if you're out there shovelling and it's cold, you may be working and not realize you're feeling chest pains. i would add who dr. cromwell says, if you're feeling chest pains, feeling dizziness, if you're feeling disoriented, not quite feeling right or having palpitations, get to the emergency room. always better to air on the side of being seen. >> all right. man, oh, man and we still got about half of the winter to g...