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This rising chorus of democrats on the hill saying this is all happening in plain sight. the obstruction. now you can add to that the refusal to governor that the president stated aloud yesterday. so there are a lot of democrats who feel like it's their responsibility whether or not this gets through the senate and he's ultimately removed from office or not. they believe the time has come and so that's the irony of all this. the president feeling emboldened. trying to end the investigations and he ends up sort of throwing gas on the fire. >> but eli, is it the irony or jonathan, excuse me, or ...

And solely his. things that he can do without consulting anybody, and without having to even get any input from anybody, and that's behind the revocation of the clearances. a variety sources told axios, a lot like the president's use of executive orders and of pardons that he can do it and nobody can stop him. an amazing quote in the story that popped up on axios, a person very close to the president said he gets a kick out of pardons. the reason he gets a kick out of pardons is that it's something that he has complete domain over, and people have to come to him and beg him for them. >> you kn...

Alabama. >> he is a candidate as opposed to an incumbent. does he get renewed or does roy moore walk in? here again, it goes back to the voters. in all of these cases, whether you're talking about hollywood, silicon valley, whether you're talking about capitol hill, the reality is these are all different places. and we have institutions in place to deal with these things. it is between him and his investors and his production company. if it's a politician, it should be between him and his voters. >> karoun, here's one of the vexing things we grapple with today. how far back do we want to go? w...