Where people have been held in contempt, they all involved scandals and controversies, but nothing even remotely approaching january th w6th wite future of democracy itself. >> it is such an excellent point. i want to get your take on what we're seeing now with executive privilege. the white house formerly rejecting the request from former president trump. he could file a lawsuit, right, to try to continue to block that disclosure. right now he has 30 days to turn over those -- for the release of those documents. how long realistically could he drag this out? >> you hit on the key issue there,...