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Brian: tom, every time they say that these barriers, these walls, these fences don't work, they are really calling you a liar, what you have done and seen up close personal they both do work. you can't both be right. what are your thoughts for that? >> thank you for that. that's one thing that stopped me last night. she said it once. schumer said it twice. ineffective wall. so either they are outright lying about this or not reviewing the data that's available. every place a border has been built every place illegal immigration has went down and drug smuggling has went down. care about border ...

This is in fact effective. you know, who are these experts that you are quoting that is saying fences don't work. they are absolutely wrong. it's proven, we know it. steve: brandon, i can't think of any time in the history of the department of home land security where front linemen and women like you went to the white house and showed up to make public statements about how you needed a particular part of the legislation to be voted upon. >> well, again, when you look at this, i wish that people could understand that i have no dog in this fight other than i want border security. i have had the ...

It is ineffective, they say. what is another plan the democrats have to seal the border up without a wall? do they have any plan outside of a barrier along the border? >> you can't just put up a regular barrier. you have to put up a wall. fences don't work. the thing with a wall is walls go 20 or 30 feet into the ground which disrupts tunnels. you don't just settle alien traffic or migrant traffic but also going to disrupt narcotic operations including thousands of thousands of tons of opioids that will make it across the border, supply and demand with opioids, that -- heather: they should be ...

Final destination, they are not going to be grifen a summons to appear. they will be told when you get to the final destination where you want to live, you have 15 days to report yourself to the nearest i.c.e. station, give them an address so they can mail you your summons to appear. >> 40% of border agents now aren't on the border enforcing the law. they are doing paperwork. border agents tell me that immigrants are being driven by word of mouth. being told by family here to get here while the going is good before we crack down. some of the smuggling networks are making 5,000 to 8,000 a head ...

Not so fast bobby boy, fences work. >> you start with a fence. it's very simple. people say oh, fences don't work, you make a ladder. well then you build two fences. triple strand fences. if fences don't work why is there one around the white house? >> bob? >> so rarely we hear charles krauthammer i'm delighted he's in here today. i think the fact he's right. there's a lot to be said for -- first of all, the other thing charles krauthammer said people here now can't send him back. we ought to put together a process where they can work themselves to citizenship behind people who are in line. >>...