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Congress, you actually listened to what the other side had to say. you are right, you tried to give them -- if you were going to strike a deal -- something they could look at their people and say, we got something. if the idea from nancy pelosi and her side is, we're not going to give him anything that gives him any quarter, then we will be back shut down or have an emergency declaration. neither is a good thing. >> i don't understand how the democrats could say, there's not going to be any kind of new barriers. in the past, they have agreed -- there's also fencing. if you accept the notion th...

Fencing somewhere, even if just a little bit. >> yeah. the thing to remember, the democratic party has shifted a lot. i think it's a good thing. i think that they didn't used to be very good on immigration issues. they have listened to the base more and listened to latino groups more. i think that their positions are different. people are changing and people are seeing things differently. even if they did it in the past, i'm not sure it matters. but if you are going to negotiate, i think -- i think the wall is a non-starter. i think it should be a non-starter. even though i think this -- that ...