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Procedures where we go into installations and do what's called a threat and vulnerability session to show them where their weaknesses are. i've done that as a have ivilci with my own business. the powers that be don't take your recommendations as serious for whatever reason. we have what's called the federal energy -- the ferc. it's a regulatory commission for energy, and it's made up of guys who are desk jockeys, former fbi agents that have never been down range, they're not trained in unconventional warfare. they took a class for two days or three days and now they're putting them in charge ...

Procedures where we go into installations and do what's called a threat and vulnerability session to show them where their weaknesses are. i've done that as a have ivilci with my own business. the powers that be don't take your recommendations as serious for whatever reason. we have what's called the federal energy -- the ferc. it's a regulatory commission for energy, and it's made up of guys who are desk jockeys, former fbi agents that have never been down range, they're not trained in unconventional warfare. they took a class for two days or three days and now they're putting them in charge ...

>> i think you have to create reverse incentive against crime. and i think the only way to do that is with criminal penalties and seeing people go to jail, or alternatively, if you want to punish the corporation itself and put the fear of god into them, so to speak, you need to do something like ferc did. ferc is an energy regulator and they basically said in april of this year, you don't get to trade electricity anymore, jpmorgan, because you committed too many crimes and you manipulated the markets. so they had a six-month ban. but this is really the only regulator that has been willing to g...

The young man who's been strayed into wayward criminal activity for a big megabank? >> i think you have to create reverse incentive against crime. and i think the only way to do that is with criminal penalties and seeing people go to jail, or alternatively, if you want to punish the corporation itself and put the fear of god into them, so to speak, you need to do something like ferc did. ferc is an energy regulator and they basically said in april of this year, you don't get to trade electricity anymore, jpmorgan, because you committed too many crimes and you manipulated the markets. so they h...

Spills in this country. the federal agency that regulates the transportation of oil by pipeline in this country is called the ferc, the federal energy regulatory commission. back on october 1st, which was government shutdown day, the agency said that the government shutdown would not affect them right away. they said their offices would remain open for business during the shutdown, but by today, that has now changed. a spokeswoman for the agency said they have had enough money to operate through this week, but, quote, i don't know how long we can operate next week. so the agency that regulates...