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We want people to be safe. not the subject of violence. and a lot of talk earlier this year about the fact that the quote so-called ferguson effect, we now have the data. i want to talk about that and what it means. stick around more for this. ♪ (vo) some call it giving back. we call it share the love. during our share the love event, get a new subaru, and we'll donate $250 to those in need. bringing our total donations to over sixty-five million dollars.

Personally accountable? will there be a federal response? will the families and children of flint be okay? joining us now is congressman dan killed deof flint, michigan. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> do you see these resignations and this an pol from the governor as some sort of turning point? >> it's certainly acknowledgement of responsibility which is a step in the right direction but whether people resign, are fired, or apologize, that all may be appropriate but what is necessary is that the governor take action now to make sure that the effect that this lead has had on...

Rate is up. and l.a. viulent crime up 22 percent. stunning stuff when you look at it. and yet, the media tends to trivialize what is the "ferguson effect"? >> the response to the numbers are cover them up completely. they report on the brennan report saying it is insignificant. the press has not a clue about crime and policing. but they change the subject. black lives matter movement did a fabulous job of changing the the subject from crime to policing. and as a result, black lives are lost in the country. >> the crime statistics as alarming as they are, got the attention of fbi director james...

Medication. where do we expect the case to go? >> ultimately, mr. lambeau will be called on to testify against this individual in the event he doesn't have a plea bargain. he has a right to protect himself. but if there is a provision in the lease that prohibits the fire arm. he would be subject to eviction. thank you for joining us this morning and that information, greg. >> there are growing concerns that the so- called ferguson effect growing over the country. and the police are enforcing the law less aggressively and they fear riots like the ones we saw

In missouri last year. case in point, the protest in chicago. and many officials denotice the ferguson affect as an explanation for raising crime rates. heather joins us now. you are one of the originators of the term "ferguson effect". there are new crime statistics out that are stunning, do they support your argument? >> they certainly do. the center that is no friend of the police estimated the homicide rate for 2015 and they have come up 14.6 percent. that is a massive increase. it is homicides in the 30 biggest cities dropping, but mayor and police chiefs would be high fiving. >> baltimor...