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When arrests go down death goes up. there aren't too many arrests there should be more. >> can i throw this out there? this is playing into exactly what you said. crime is on the rise across america, not just baltimore, it's being called the ferguson effect by the wall street journal. check out this map, latest monthly figures versus last year. shootings in los angeles in los angeles up 25%, murders in new york up 13%, atlanta, 32%, get this milwaukee, homicides up a stunning 180%. so tommy, it's not just ferguson or baltimore or staten island it's spreading. >> and i would think the bad guys ...

Arrested, being indicted, police quitting their jobs like what happened in ferguson. when police officers look at ferguson the officer acted completely properly, all right, in that case. he wasn't jailed. he wasn't arrested. completely cleared. exonerated. he quit. all right. so police officers now are more worried about that happening to them, than being killed in the line of duty and when that happens, we have a problem. >> interesting that you would say that. i should tell you this, that there's something called the ferguson effect, joey. in fact, the st. louis police chief sam dodson said ...

Journal," what the st. louis police chief had referenced how police officers are disengaging from how she refers to as discretionary enforcement activity and the criminal element is feeling empowered. the ferguson effect. >> right, exactly. they're definitely feeling empowered. you're talking the ferguson effect. that's a good example here. we got a police officer who acted properly all right, was totally exonerated and was still vilified in the press and vilified by politicians. this is what police officers do not want to have to go through. when they act out there on the street they're makin...

While. it was rare that a police officer is charged with murder. then for the mayor and police chief to come out and embrace their family in this manner that to me is almost as shocking as everything else. getting ahead of the story. this is somewhat of a ferguson effect. all the lessons learned. now they're getting ahead of it. they're paying for the police officer's wife's insurance. the body camera situation. there's a lot happening here. i think they're trying to get ahead of the curve before anything spirals out of control. >> so stand by for me. we want to introduce the bing pulse questi...

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