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Us. >> anthony: right. >> irmin: of ten years. for us it was important to create something by more or less listening to the other and intuitively trying to create something spontaneously. we didn't even plan to become a rock group. >> anthony: was there a precise moment of which you crossed the line, and which you all looked at each other like, "wow, i guess we're sort of -- i guess we're a rock group now."? >> irmin: i'm not sure we ever said we are a rock group. >> anthony: grilled lobster with a dashy of eel, marinated algae, fermented kale, and yuzu froth. if people were to draw a direct l...

>> anthony: right. >> irmin: of ten years. for us it was important to create something by more or less listening to the other and intuitively trying to create something spontaneously. we didn't even plan to become a rock group. >> anthony: was there a precise moment of which you crossed the line, and which you all looked at each other like, "wow, i guess we're sort of -- i guess we're a rock group now."? >> irmin: i'm not sure we ever said we are a rock group. >> anthony: grilled lobster with a dashy of eel, marinated algae, fermented kale, and yuzu froth. if people were to draw a direct line ...

Musical career already behind us. >> anthony: right. >> irmin: of ten years. for us it was important to create something by more or less listening to the other and intuitively trying to create something spontaneously. we didn't even plan to become a rock group. >> anthony: was there a precise moment of which you crossed the line, and which you all looked at each other like, "wow, i guess we're sort of -- i guess we're a rock group now."? >> irmin: i'm not sure we ever said we are a rock group. >> anthony: grilled lobster with a dashy of eel, marinated algae, fermented kale, and yuzu froth. if ...

Play music. we were dilatants. >> anthony: but, i mean, you were all technically proficient accomplished musicians. >> irmin: we were. we were all except the guitar player who was the youngest. but holger, jaki, and me had a musical career already behind us. >> anthony: right. >> irmin: of ten years. for us it was important to create something by more or less listening to the other and intuitively trying to create something spontaneously. we didn't even plan to become a rock group. >> anthony: was there a precise moment of which you crossed the line, and which you all looked at each other like...