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Things of value. let's keep in mind there's photographic evidence that grant stern and others came up with that donald and donald jr. have known some of the people and involved in the russian meeting back as far as 2013. i think anybody who is a grown up, we all knew. of course donald knows about this meeting. and when we find out about the blocked phone number. two calls at the time of the meeting. i'm sure we'll fine out ffs donald trumps blocked number that he called. one other important aspect to this, there's no attorney client privilege here. there were people in the room at the meeting ...

Cameras in the building. i'm sure in the lobby and elsewhere. i'm wondering how far they go back. if they have been subpoenaed and on and on. that is that's a very good point you make. what does this say to you about the kind of damage that michael cohen is capable of inflicting on the trump family? >> cohen is in a position to be a very dangerous witness. not just to donald trump but donald jr. who testified that to things that we i think we'll find out are not true. which puts him in the position of being prosecuted and convicted sent to prison also. one thing we don't know is what's going o...