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but is he a democrat or has he subverted democracy and undermined the cause of freedom — notjust in hungary, but across the eu? well, my guest, zsuzsanna szelenyi, was his ally in the early days of the fidesz party. now she is an arch—critic. but has orban found a politicalformula — illiberal democracy — for which his opponents have no answer? zsuzsanna szelenyi, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for inviting me. it's a pleasure to have you on the show. when you look at your home country, hungary, today, in terms of its politics, its political culture, what do you see? well, hun...

had simply drifted off course. sally is here next. now on bbc news, it's time for hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. viktor 0rban can make a strong claim to be europe's most successful leader. after four consecutive election victories, he's admired by cultural conservatives and nationalists from moscow to washington. he wins elections, yes — but is he a democrat or has he subverted democracy and undermined the cause of freedom — notjust in hungary, but across the eu? well, my guest, zsuzsanna szelenyi, was his ally in the early days of the fidesz party. now she is...

of freedom — notjust in hungary, but across the eu? well, my guest, zsuzsanna szelenyi, was his ally in the early days of the fidesz party. now she is an arch—critic. but has orban found a politicalformula — illiberal democracy — for which his opponents have no answer? zsuzsanna szelenyi, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for inviting me. it's a pleasure to have you on the show. when you look at your home country, hungary, today, in terms of its politics, its political culture, what do you see? well, hungary is in trouble. this is what i see first. it is diverting for a track wh...

from mr reznikov who hasn't been personally implicated in the procurement scandal involving the purchase of rations at inflated prices. now on bbc news, hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. viktor orban can make a strong claim to be europe's most successful leader. after four consecutive election victories, he's admired by cultural conservatives and nationalists from moscow to washington. he wins elections, yes — but is he a democrat or has he subverted democracy and undermined the cause of freedom — notjust in hungary, but across the eu? well, my guest, zsuzsanna s...

It is pretty extraordinary to think that, what, three decades ago you and orban were like that. you were political allies, you were co—founders of this fidesz movement. well, fidesz was a fascinating party which was established in 1988 as a youth party. and it's one of the most successful party, i think, definitely in eastern europe, but maybe even in europe. and it was a liberal alternative and radical organisation... this is how we defined ourselves. yeah. it wanted to dismantle the communist system. it looked to the west for inspiration. it was all about freedom and democracy and a sense ...