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I think, paul, very simply, it's madness. politically and socially and economically. paul: tell us how you really feel, doug. i mean, i want to -- [laughter] >> yeah, exactly. >> paul: i want to get to this resistance strategy a little bit. >> sure. paul: you've got, is this really -- did i frame it correctly by calling it a fight between, basically, the obama/clinton wing on the one hand with perez and the sanders/warren wing on the other with ellison? >> yeah, i think that's exactly right. ellison opened an early lead. there are reports from the perez camp that they've got 180 of the 244 vot...

Aren't you just running a cartoon campaign? but that's an insulting question. what anderson was asking was a tough question, very much in the traditions of tim russert as so many people look to from nbc, that he asked very, very good questions, fair questions, things you ought to face, are they softball? no, they are not. they are hardball. they did sort of hit below the belt and you have the rnc with the candidates objecting but also an internal disdispute. the candidates themself want to take control and take it away from the rnc which the rnc does not want to lose control. there are two dif...