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Countering assad and syria, somewhat going on it on its own launching forces across the border as they have done fighting against not only the terrorists that were fighting assad but also the kurdish freedom fighters and doing all of this while not coordinating much with the kpuns that they have often been considered allied with. all of nato and all of the u.s. so this is going to become more complex as the days go on. i tell you you have got to get a score card to figure out who the players are. >> thank you for being our expert because like you said it is complex and we are all trying to und...

Administration -- >> well, the deal -- >> you're going to be -- >> it's hard to say we're ripping up. the problem is by the time i got in there, they will have already received the $150 billion. do you know if the deal gets rejected, they still get the money? >> you think the middle east would be better today if gadhafi, saddam, and assad were sort of -- if saddam and gadhafi were still there and assad were stronger? you think the middle east would be safer? >> it's not even a contest. iraq is a disaster. and -- >> it would be better off if saddam were in charge? >> isis came out of iraq -- >>...

The hell out of isis. and it's going to be isis. putin has to get rid of isis. putin doesn't want isis coming into russia. >> why do you trust him? and nobody else does? >> i don't trust him at all other than we got good ratings the other night on "60 minutes." it was with me and putin. can you believe this? did i get the ratings, or did he? the truth is -- it's not a question of trust. i don't want to see the united states -- we've spent now, we've spent $2 trillion in iraq, probably $1 trillion in afghanistan. we're in -- we're destroying our country. here's the problem to what you're saying...

He? the truth is -- it's not a question of trust. i don't want to see the united states -- we've spent now, we've spent $2 trillion in iraq, probably $1 trillion in afghanistan. we're in -- we're destroying our country. here's the problem to what you're saying in syria -- we are fighting assad, and we're fighting for people and helping people that we don't even know who they are. and they may be worse than assad. they may be worse. and if assad never happened, if you didn't have a problem in syria, you wouldn't have the migration. you wouldn't be talking about all of these countries with what'...

Bob gates and condoleezza rice have said positive things. they are paid consultants. when a guy like jeb bush supports tillerson, some people are saying, wait. let's hold on. maybe he's a strategic guy. things aren't working at this moment. you have 100 children buried under rubble in syria, in aleppo and assad is backed by russia. maybe some people could say -- >> oh, yeah, there will be more kids buried under rubble in aleppo because tillerson is a part of this global view, trump administration. let's not forget michael flynn. another man, it's now head of national -- nst. so they're having ...