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>> great point to bring up. michael zeldin, on that point, the president brought up the issue of obstruction, he continues to say there was no obstruction, the whole investigation into obstruction is a fraud. maybe what was in his head is when rudy giuliani said that the president fired james comey because comey wouldn't publicly exonerate him. the president says, you know, i'm just fighting back. they think it is obstruction. is there a fighting back exemption to the notion of obstruction of justice? >> well, not in law. maybe in politics. this -- giuliani was dammed by feint praise. no quest...

Defense might be and how the president might answer questions. number one, and we played the sound before. we don't need to play it again. on the issue of obstruction, the president -- people says obstruction because i was fight back. samuel, you're a lawyer. is there a fighting back exemption to the issue of obstruction of justice? >> no. if the president is talking about his public statements that there was no collusion or he didn't obstruct, fine, he's entitled to fight back in that sense and he has been. that's not what the obstruction investigation is about. nobody thinks it's about that....