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Workers more, pay them overtime, you've got a health care thing coming down the pike here, a lot of rules and regulations, maybe all of you are up on it, maybe you're not. but in that environment, does that make you more likely to hire or does it -- do you step back, what? >> well, we hire because we have job openings and positions for skilled workers, not because of the other things. now, obviously, there is overregulatory issues affecting all of us right now. but really, we do have the skills gap, and it's imperative that we stay with the training, though, that it stays local and that we wor...

>> you know, the economy freeing up some is going to help all of us. but i think what was stated a little bit, that manufacturing jobs aren't down and dirty and food service jobs aren't necessarily down and dirty either. we've got a lot of tv programs out there that celebrate a lot of the chefs, and we do have careers and we have good-paying careers in our jobs, as well. there are a lot of good culinary schools in the united states, and steering folks -- steering the young people to jobs that can be tech field, i.t., regular training, it could also be in the culinary arts. and i think as the g...

Of donors. it wants the whole list. the group is fighting it, and now the irs is finding -- it's like tugging on superman's cape. ron paul is having none of it. congressman, what do you make of this and what are they doing? >> well, they're after -- they want money from us. they fined us almost $13,000 with daily penalties if we don't cough it up. but they've done this before. they did this two years ago, and we presented the case in some legal cases where we don't have to do it, although technically there is a regulation that says this. but the naacp fought this way back in '58 and ruled by t...

I'm sure he is watching. do it like i do it. >> it's not just this president. the democrats seem to play by these marquee of queensbury rules. >> no, they play defense. >> exactly. if you're explaining in politics, you're losing. why are they not going on the offense and saying these guys drove us into the ditch. they want to drive us back into the ditch. >> it was the bush economy. it was the bush economy that he walked into. the economy was in free-for-all. and we should be calling this the long slump rather than anything else. >> rather than whining and complaining about the other party, i ...

Massive investment package. exactly. >> they had a stimulus plan, and it's called europe. so if you look -- >> what has been going on? give us a comparison. >> the republicans were saying you got to clamp down on the debt and rein in -- >> that's what they did in greece. >> exactly. >> that's what happened in europe. now look, growth is not spectacular in the united states. it's a heck of a lot better than -- >> germany is less than 1%. we're up to 3. >> we've seen what the republicans were suggesting at the time. and now they're suggesting, well, if only the president had come and spoken to u...