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President trump on the other. >> he's got a lot of fighting to do, harris. >> harris: can he do it? >> i know them as fighting joe. i know them personally. >> harris: fighting joe? >> this is what we've been wanting to see from him. remember back to the 2020 vp form, the debate there? he was fighting joe. he brought it then. frankly, civility was vilified as political correctness. i would argue the voters are getting what they want. katie is right, i would actually call it more of a blood sport right now. but joe has got to come out fighting and i'm glad to see that he is, frankly. >> harris: ...

>> it's worked a little bit in a sense it's kept him from being fighting joe. when they attack your family and tr you're trying to be all kumbaya about this, you've got to put the gloves on and depgo out. >> take a look how he's handling it. new remarks. >> it is way beyond anything that i quite frankly thought he would do. i think we should just focus on he's the issue. nobody has ever asserted that i did anything wrong except he and what's that fellah's name rudy hooty. >> you know who trump sounds like these days, that's who's running to replace him and that's the current nature of rebuttal...

Baseless attack by trump has still worked in a way on joe biden? >> it's worked a little bit in the sense that it's kept him from being fighting joe. it's odd -- and this is trump's evil genius through these years. he really is able to manipulate the situation. he controls the news cycle. >> yeah. >> he -- and to -- and then he turns fighting joe into what he calls him, i'm not going to repeat it. >> i tell you what. in fairness to joe and everyone, we'll take a quick -- we'll fit in a break and keep you, but let's take a look at how joe biden has been sounding real quick. here's joe biden. >>...

Was your parents reaction? >> it was definitely a known kwaupt to them. >> about two years later, we were married. >> joe and ellen dunford started a life together, serving our nation, in a tradition that goes back generations. >> his grandfather's world war i trunk, we have his picture here. then his father worked in korea. >> clearly the hero in my life was my dad. >> the shot of joe's dad in a police uniform? >> he retired after a 40-year history. >> from the fire of the marine corps to the fire of being a policeman? >> yes. my father was a world war ii vet and that's his photograph. >> in ...

For terrorism. >> jack keane served 47 years in the u.s. army. >> dunford earned the nickname fighting joe in iraq when as a colonel he led team five in their drive forth. you and i met each other on the way to a place called baghdad? >> that's exactly right. >> when did you have your first contact? >> we had our first contact immediately after the line of departure. >> give us a sense of how different it is from when we first met? >> the mission is more complicated. >> dunford moved up in rank to four star general. in 2012, president obama nominated him to lead the effort in afghanistan. at h...