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Its journalists that have faced the most daring consequences we can think. like eliminate and remove and some of the articles they have online, not to face the consequences of the -- this really an amendment to the russian penal code. it's really extreme where we've seen. i'm sure we're going to keep seeing creative solutions but as of today, what we're seeing is russia becoming -- russian authorities imposing total censorship. that has terrible consequences for the russian population, first, and for people outside of russia as well. >> let me just -- so people understand what they have done, ...

The norms and the rules about violence and attacks on nuclear power plant. there's a reason they don't come under fire. they're vulnerable. you could result in a release of radiation or a meltdown like fukushima and affect not just the local population but a global disaster. >> my question is about the russians. in the immediate they're in grave danger participating in the attack why what does it say about putin's war plan? >> there are two scenarios. one is that vladimir putin has ordered the troops not only seize but to damage or attack the nuclear power plants. i don't think that's part of ...

Intelligence agencies are having conversations about what more we can do right now? >> yes, they definitely are, and i think there's a lot they can do. i mean, putin's a career kgb officer, he understands the importance of covert war because he's been engaged in it against ukraine and us for the last ten years. the thing you mentioned about the russian people. listen, the russian people are now cut off. there's more repression now. they've closed all the media, any independent media, any western media. they are not getting the messages. they are not seeing these videos. they're not hearing zel...

Blackmail. putin will not stop at ukraine. he will test nato and nato territory. and those say we cannot impose no fly zone in ukraine because of the risks. obviously there's a confrontation with russia, it's a confrontation. so, how do you defend nato countries because these countries will be attacked by putin if he -- if he's strategy in ukraine prevails. >> i talked to an adviser of president zelenskyy today who said this is already world war iii. and i saw that you had tweeted also that you believe this is already world war iii. can you explain what that means? because obviously it is an i...

We see the need that putin has to be seen as a success. and a winner. and he's going to pull out all the stops to do that and i think where we're headed, frankly, and after hearing your reports, i'm just more determined. we cannot say any more that, well, ukraine is not in nato, so, you know, we really can't help. i mean, i will say there's a lot of help going into ukraine right now in terms of giving them arms and ammunition, anti-tank, all kinds of military equipment and humanitarian too, but we've got to do something more now, and it's not going to be a nato article v kind of thing but it m...