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When it talks about governing -- >> he's in cleveland. >> he can talk about what we did down the road. how we fixed the bridge over there, how we handled medicare and medicaid. so he has sort of that advantage, i think, to play that card. should trump go there -- >> and why do you assume that for some reason jeb thinks he can rope a dope this thing. i'm going to drive on. >> i wouldn't say jeb is taking that position. i think jeb is probably doing a wait and see. if attacked he will respond kind of thing. but he doesn't plan to be the one who leads the advance on that. and i don't think kasich...