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House leadership would say go ahead, it's good for the president and good for the united states of america. they're telling them to walk the plank? >> that's her line in the piece. she says walking the democratic line is like walking the plank. what's interesting about her numbers and i encourage people to look at her poll. it's independent and he is special -- especially independent women that are not ready for this bill. you may say i have to decide to do this for the president. as soon as they do that, they're going to start looking for other jobs come november. >> let's talk about this new...

I will be very impressed if you guys say something to surprise me. just your take, who won that dual, that war of words. what do you think, brent? >> it's hard to say who won it. i think it's great for our democracy that we have a former vice president and current vice president talking about such serious issues in our country. i think former vice president dick cheney raised a lot of serious issues about the way the current administration is handling these issues. i think it should give all americans pause when we look at some of the things he raised as issues and concerns. >> all right, penn...

I can't get into that whole thing right now. jim, i don't see how sending our children to not get killed is fighting terror, and it's incredibly offensive when it happens. >> i understand all that. if i could point out very quickly, general stan mcchrystal saw that problem about positioning those forces out there. he's withdrawn them. and the number of americans being killed has come down dramatically in the past six months or so since this new strategy has taken effect. but there's going to be a new offensive in the south and look for those casualty numbers to tick up here pretty quickly. >> ...

>> thanks, you guys. nirs to see you, kelly. i haven't seen you since the morning meeting. and your first day out, you did the washington examiner proud today, my friend. let's put it that way. >> thanks very much. >> thank you. still ahead this hour, the story behind a deadly taliban attack in afghanistan. you see these headlines all the time. eight soldiers, four soldiers, three this, these are human beings who are losing their lives, not for the political rhetoric of fighting terror. we should be so lucky. because we have policies that put our children in idiotic locations where they can ...

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