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Because mike pence is bombing into the mountain state, trying to tell west virginiaens how to think, he can be populist, west virginia, populist state, voted overwhelmingly for bill clinton and donald trump. it is a populist state. and joe manchin knows this state did better than mike pence, believe me. >> i remember when he came in, it was with the ad where he shot a hole in the trade bill of democrats, right? he is contrarian. it was, whoo, you know, i don't know would we even pay attention now. that's so funny. his response is that washington sucks. to paul's point, what a great bumper stic...

His business and run the country. he feels good about the way things are going. that's prior to this. >> i'm not been shy of critiquing him on policy or things. but this is 1 of the things that people did vote for president trump for. if you're in washington and you want to be lazy, keep your job, go to d.c. that's been the narrative. he's showing that won't work in his administration. >> yeah. >> you can be fired at any time apparently. doesn't matter whether or not someone was fired on monday. it's not like there's a one a week limit. and resign. you know. >> you're right. most people can't ...

>> how much is it going to be a challenge for the general, if at all, without the political experience? just the leadership experience. his resume is great. border patrol feels reinvigorated. we know what is happening around the country with sanctuary cities. does he have a big adjustment? >> yes. look at the roll-out of the effort to kind of crack down on, remember, the muslim nations that -- the nations on the list, that they wanted to do the first executive order. when that happens, the way it was handled, john kelly was learning as he was going about washington. he's very accomplished. he ...

People with special interests and idealogical levels believe different things. you can't lead somebody to believing different things. >> okay. we're going to bring back bret baier in washington d.c. bret, i can only imagine what this is like in washington d.c. are people shocked or in awe? was this anticipated? >> i think there was an anticipation that it would happen over a number of days. i'm getting messages from different sources. some saying that kelly has a lot of d.c. experience. he was a former marine legislative liaison, an aide to gates and panetta, testified as the commander of sout...

We will repeal obamacare. they said in 2014, give us the senate and we'll repeal obamacare. they said in 2016, give us the white house we'll do it. the president said i have a pen in my hand. send me a bill and i'll sign it. mitch mcconnell and the rest of the jokers on the hill cannot deliver despite they passed 60 something repeals of obamacare? enough is enough. no excuses. don't go on to recess. if you do, we'll have a real problem and we'll start firing these republicans in washington. >> i want you to develop a opinion on this. we need more passion with that. >> you asked for it. i'm her...