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Depression, or even ronald reagan in 1980. the fact is, that our politics keeps moving forward, giving us new options, new twists and new turns. what's important to understand is, i don't like this line that says it's too late for people to get into this race. we haven't reached the filing deadlines. we haven't even reached the first debate on the democratic side. so i think the reality is, that there is room for people to get in. but i would counsel one thing on bernie sanders, i don't think it's just a kind of reaction against the coronation, or to use matt's phrase, i think there's also a -...

By? you said the end of the summer. is that the cut off date? >> yes, no question. two things. one the largest number of delegates will be meeting at then of this month in minneapolis, the democrat national committee. and then by october they are filing deadlines. clearly, if you are going to run you need to start raising money. and it cost a lot of money to fly air force 2 to political events. >> good to have you on. just ahead tonight we will dig deeper on what we just mentioned the joe biden factor and how he could shake up the race and how hillary clinton might answer the challenge from ...

Not a done deal at all. >> the question is timing. i run through sort of the calendar of the year the way pat buchanan problem the way rick santorum weakened mitt romney t. problem is the filing deadlines. you have to try to get on ballots by december if you want to get enough delegates to compete with her. so the question is will sanders weaken her enough before december for somebody like joe bind john kerry or jerry brown to say i need to get in this race. >> eugene robinson do you scoff or take him seriously as a candidate? i think everybody should take him seriously as a candidate. how ser...

Basically just raise the debt ceiling once again. for boehner to do that and to get this through, he's got to show some teeth to his conservatives, and i think if you look at that in combination with all of these filing deadlines for primaries that are coming up here in the next two months, i think boehner needs to sort of punt this for a while. look, it may not come back this year, it may come back in a more fod modified fashion but i think this is not the end of immigration reform. >> it's like a zombie. it's not exactly dead but it's not exactly dead. >> how much was the speaker influenced ...

We might go through the shutdown thing again in january. >> that's exactly right. i think i said on this very program, remember we had congresswoman sanchez on four or five months ago and i said then and i believe it to be the case, now with enda, as well, getting past, molly, getting past the most of the filing deadlines, next spring and summer, that these two issues may well come to the floor so that the speaker doesn't have to put republicans in danger of being primaried but once the filing deadlines are closed, they're freer to bringing the things to the floor but just quickly, you showed ...