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You believe, what it's personality traits or leading somebody to this in a case like him? >> probably. once they tried to work out whether he's british, kuwaiti or muslim both. that combined with charismatic recruiters such as al bagg da dehdadi, the so-called caliph. and western born muslims to this ideology. >> filipp phillip, if another country was interested is the fact he's british, does that play in? >> i think theoretically, a country, can you imagine someone targeting a u.s. citizen with a drone strike and not telling us if it's a close ally? this is a pretty clear case though. if you ...