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Weighs two established economic powers, sweden and finland. their membership applications are imminent. here to tell us more is fin -8d's ambassador to the united states. the finnish ambassador to the united states is h.e. mikko hautala. thank you for joining us. ambassador, i understand debate is going on in finland about joining nato. why now? purely over the ukrainian war? >> we have been integrating nato for the last 30 years. it's operationally compatible with nato. wire as close as we can be to nato without being members. we have been integrating alliance for a long time. the latest disc...

The parliament on which way to go in the future reflects the situation that started to weaken the structures. so we have to think how do we respond and make sure nothing like that will happen to finland or any countries in northern europe. brian: you believe in rule 5, if you attack one, nato will respond as one? >> my own experience from ambassador to moscow before this. russia has got respect to article 5 and nato's resilience. they never tried to test it. i believe nato is a strong alliance and russia respects that. brian: will you join without sweden? >> find has to decide on our own. we h...