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You're supposed to obey the finance rules, and you should. but i've never heard of them being treated as felonies. how did it become a felony because he didn't record properly the payment because it was a campaign? the jury couldn't decide. we get these cases. isn't there a reasonable doubt there that it was not really for the campaign, that you can find one out of 12 jurors say? >> giuliani's point is this had nothing to do with the campaign. it was about protecting the reputation of the family. it was about making sure that melania wasn't hurt. but that is defied by this notion of both the t...

Raise money for her campaign but able to talk to potential doughnors for super pact. if you dig in, there's so much gray area here. you can't coordinate with super pact but can appear at events. you can't technically ask for large donations but everyone knows what they're in the room to do. i think for voters those that want to see a candidate come many and reform the finance rules, this is going to be a bit uncomfortable. >> we have seen jeb bush is working more closely than the others with his super pact as an extension of the campaign. lines are getting more and more blurred. i want to retu...

Civilization 8,000 years ago and what is now iraq, you will see it always happens. when that happens, the country involved have to find a way to get back in the future business. education is the sample of our commitment to the future. but we need a new energy policy, a new economic policy, a new health care policy, we need a different set of finance rules, we need a different relationship between government and business, we need to deal with our long-term debt problem. we've got all these problems out there, every single one of them can be reduced to one sentence. we've got too reoccupied with...