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We wouldn't have gotten bin laden without those techniques which were medically supervised at the highest degree of safety, although they didn't know it. >> right, sean. there's a couple points here i would highlight. first of all, it's an uncomfortable truth for those a who didn't support the program and don't today. that yes, it actually did work. you can debate the morals and ethics of the program but it did work. we did obtain significance intelligence not just on finding bin laden but other al qaeda operatives as well as we stoput threats against our nation.p could you imagine if we had t...

Situation. >> the nuance is, what brennan says, yes, the u.s. got very valuable information from these detainee who is had been waterboarded or had gone through some of these enhanced interrogation techniques. but they don't know if that information was a result of that so-called torture or if that information was received because some interrogator was playing nice with them and using other techniques which were not physical. >> go to the cia study and it will talk about detainee who provided limited information about bin laden's whereabouts after he was subjected to eit, he provided much more...

#readthereport. >> she says there's no evidence that these tactics, these interrogation tactics resulted in the u.s. at least with other information finding and then killing bin laden. what he says, john brennan says, it's possible that they did in fact help but it's not knowable. >> exactly. it's not knowable, in the view of the intelligence committee, whether the information offered up what later did become valuable and crucial intelligence in leading to finding bin laden. it's something that we may never know, wolf. >> barbara starr, thanks very much. one of the most provocative questions a...

>> she was very dedicated to her job. she was there a lot. >> jennifer was one of that first group and she was always very intense, very focused. really passionate about it from the beginning and a real hard charger from the beginning. >> jennifer was focused on finding bin laden. she was adamant that she was going to stay around on that team until it was done. >> she could be really abrasive, yeah. but you know, teams are made up of people with all different kinds of personalities and in the end of the day, that doesn't really matter. what matters is getting the job done. she certainly could ...

That's not a real analysis. that's just tracking things. so we were lowly terrorism analysts. we were tracking things. >> you're going to have certain kinds of people who are going to be the first ones to see something. when you're the first one off the block, by definition, you're going to be in the minority. that's what we were. >> she was very dedicated to her job. she was there a lot. >> jennifer was one of that first group and she was always very intense, very focused. really passionate about it from the beginning and a real hard charger from the beginning. >> jennifer was focused on find...