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Subpoena for jim jordan. kinzinger and cheney clearly onboard with the select committee's stated plan to start issuing lots of subpoenas. any reporting on how republican members of congress are expected to respond? >> i think that is the big question. and as we've been having this conversation, the think in my brain is something that happened last week and it's that revelation that in the middle of the 2020 election when president trump, former president trump, was desperate to have the will of the people overturned, he told department of justice officials not only should you declare the elect...

Babbitt into a martyr is not because that was the culmination but the beginning of something darker. i wonder what you make of all their actions since january 6th. >> okay. so i withdraw culmination and i will throw in an inflection point because it does appear this is ongoing. and my big fear is that all of this was a rehearsal. that failed coups are not just an end, that they lay the groundwork for what's going to come. and i guess part of it is the normalization of things that were unthinkable just a year ago. and i know we've had this happen over and over again. if we had been told before ...

We can imagine ourselves anew. that's abstract. but i think matt hit it right on the head. we have to make the case for a new america. the america that we live in every single day. if we don't make that argument, the old argument will hold. it will stand. so i think it is really important in this moment for us to step out of our comfort zones, to leave the legends and myths behind and dare to risk being otherwise. that's going to require joe biden, president biden, it is going to require speaker pelosi, leader schumer, democrats across the board, independents across the board, black, white, it...

Officers, don't be scared to have mental health resources. don't be scared to use these resources. underscoring all of this sort of retelling and recasting of january 6th is a tourist visit and all the stuff republicans want to say is this real violence, this real hurt that is continuing that people are having to live with and this idea now these insurrectionists are starting to become martyrs and patron saints of the gop. it underscores just how far away we are from reality when we're talking about this. had the people been african-american, probably a lot of them would have been shot, just b...

Undermined in the most corrupt possible way including political violence. and besides adam kinzinger and liz cheney, you're not seeing republicans lining up. but i'm not sure that this is the winning issue that some of them apparently have convinced themselves. by the way, i'm still reeling from the news jim jordan is writing a book. it will be a great moment in american literature. >> we don't know much about it yet. i want to press you on something, charlie, you said january 6th was the culmination. when you hear mark meadows sounding bat bleep crazy with his cabinet, he doesn't have a cabin...