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Consequences? >> i think north koreans will find work arounds, which is essentially what they have been doing. these developments prohibited, they found ways to acquire the technology, just the same way that they did to find the technology and the parts to develop their nuclear systems. this ballistic missile, hyper sonic missile systems that they talk about they're finding work arounds. this is going to shut down one avenue to them or the avenues that these people offered but in some cases they already now have the know how and technology required to do, you know, to improve these missile sys...

Alternate resource rather than getting from russia. rather than new sanctions being put in place, the sort of language that's been used has obviously been the unity, and there is unity. but it's about sort of assessing where the sanctions have got to. and plugging the holes where russia might be finding work-arounds around those sanctions and getting the message out to other countries that might support russia to get around those sanctions not to do that. so if there have been more unity, as you say, and europe perhaps wasn't as dependent on russian gas and oil then potentially could have been...

Sanctions against the government of russia that really haven't caused him a lot of pain, so i don't really see how he has been deterred. while we work on defense and shoring up the defenses of our infrastructure, educating the public on how russia is hacking us, vladimir putin is finding work arounds, and until the administration deters him from this action, i am not confident the attacks will stop. >> how do you deter him? >> you deter him hitting him where it hurts, through sanctions but not ones as targeted as the ones to date. you look at how he reacted when president trump met with him in...

Truly looking out for their safety and not listening to their telephone calls. >> we want a larger number, 41% that these programs were more likely to hurt americans than the 4 41% who said they would hp catch terrorists. as you say, that these programs are necessary? >> i'm not visurprised by those results, given benghazi, given irs, and the phony scandals coming out of washington. i think people have lost trust in their government. i think we need to replace that by transparency in what we're doing. but the problem is a lot of this is classified americans. the terrorists are listening and th...