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Actually become. that is the conundrum of this moment, right, dahlia, the notion that this is the rule of law doing what it's supposed to do. you know, finding wrongdoing and prosecuting it, and at the same time the after-effect of that is to erode the power of the rule of law. >> i mean, i think, alex, this is the mistake we keep making is thinking the rule of law or the legal system or accountability are ends in themselves and that, you know, if merrick garland can just perform independence, if joe biden can just perform independence, if jack smith can just perform he's acting independent of...

More the rule of law champs, the stronger the forces who hate the rule of law actually become. that is the conundrum of this moment, right? that the notion that this is the rule of law, doing what is supposed to do. finding wrongdoing and prosecuting it, and at the same time, the after effect of that is to erode the power of the rule of law. >> i think that this is the mistake we keep making, thinking about the rule of law, or the legal system, or accountability and send themselves.

Can really do justice to building up horowitz and durham. i remember as the mueller report was coming to its conclusion, a trump supporter i know said i'm waiting for horowitz. they have put all their eggs in horowitz and durham finding wrongdoing that based on the "post's" new reporting suggests has not. >> every day by this administration. and the american mind and our culture in this country, we have always had a special place for conspiracy theorist. we are the only people that could land people on the moon and have a significant part of the population believe that it was done on a hollywo...

Agreement. >> greg: i don't think they saw this coming. a lot of these things when they go after trauma, it has a weird blowback. it is always a boomerang, whoever throws it it comes back and hits them in the face. the democrats have managed to make a trump scandal into a democrat scandal, and make trump sympathetic and every time they go after him with these human resource questions, it becomes really boring. the only thing that is not boring is the hunter biden stuff, that is exciting. >> juan: i think we know why it is exciting to you. but it was somebody talking about a perception. it is n...

Secret, it is not leaking. it is finding wrongdoing of various sorts. and we do not know what the outcome is. >> is there evidence of the so-called collision or collision between the trump campaign to elect donald trump, is the financial information, alleged money laundering. >> lying to the fbi. >> so far there's nothing the critics would say that shows there is any collision directly that we know of. >> i think it is fair to say that we do not know yet. we have not seen evidence to date. i think that is a very fair assessment you made. i would just say that we do not know where we are in the...