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Stopped the shower incident in an e-mail to his friends. what about that? does that conflict with the grand jury report? >> completely. it completely conflicts with the grand jury report and you will see these fine changes taking place right now. look, at the end of the process, he didn't call the police. that's what any responsible adult would have done. he didn't do. that the grand jury looked at this. they questioned him. they had all of the facts. they never said that he tried to interrupt this encounter. they never said he did anything honorable. called his daddy and talked to joe paterno...

Called his daddy and talked to joe paterno. what we are going to see, ed, we will see fine spins to all of this. as you see the fine spin what you are seeing is something that will be presented in a defense. >> mike, let's talk about the judge. does the judge, in your opinion, have a conflict of interest? and have you ever seen anything like this? such a close association. we are talking about political fund-raiser, someone who has worked for the charity. obviously she must know sandusky. what's your take on this? have you ever seen anything like this? >> it is not even a close call, ed. she h...

Done. he didn't do that. the grand jury looked at this. they questioned him. they had all the facts. they never said that he tried to interrupt this encounter. they never said he did anything honorable. it called his daddy and talked to joe paterno. what we're going to see, ed, we're going to see fine spins to all this. as you see the fine spin, what you're actually seeing is something that's going to be presented in a defense. >> all right. mike, let's talk about the judge. does the judge in your opinion have a conflict of interest, and have you ever seen anything like this? such a close asso...