Is there a reason for optimism with this? >> i don't think that we're going to be able to prescribe burn our way to have the entire landscape be fire safe, but i think it can help. >> i think we are headed in a good direction with it. now the state is finally at the point with policies that came forward this year to recognize cultural burning. it's now codified in state law and i was able to work on some of that policy development. the state has a plan that's coming forward. like, we're targeting to burn 500,000 acres by 2025 within the state. >> wow. >> that's not enough, but it's a starting ...