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Static defensive line that's been in place for eight years now. this is not something that has just happened since the start of the war in february. they've been fighting in the donbas, ukrainians have, for eight years now. they know this terrain. they know the targeting, as you saw. they have advanced targeting systems with drones and computers, which i would bet you don't see on the russian side. the russians are using artillery as area fire weapons. the ukrainians are trying to do more precise firing. notwithstanding all of that, you have to talk a little bit about the physical aspects and ...

And forth. and what we see is the rounds, just like you're seeing in those pictures, are area fire weapons by the russians. they are not hitting precisely on the gun system. in fact, what i would also say is the russian gun systems are normally self-propelled. what i mean by that is they are on a trailer, a track vehicle. the crew is inside firing the guns. this one you're seeing is a towed piece of artillery. they are more difficult to hit. the crew isn't always inside or nearby the vehicle, because there is no vehicle. so yeah, that's going to be these kind of counterfire operations, but tru...

More than enough to kill their coffee. it will kill people. it will ensure the kinds of targets the ukrainians are looking to destroy are destroyed. very different that area fire weapons. they are very precise. the folks that i'm talking to saying that they are increasingly becoming available on the battlefield as well as the ammunition that comes along with it. >> for ukraine, we know what russian targets are. for ukrainian forces is the target russian artillery? is it the russian equivalent or whatever the russian artillery is? >> we heard a lot about targeting over the last couple of days b...

Four. while the russian conventional forces have not performed that well, they are now encircling the cities they are now going to be bringing in artillery. what comes next in terms of the bombardment of the cities we've seen in chechnya, or russian forces due to cities they are not precision fire weapons that they are going to be using. so if those tanks roll into the streets there at ambush territory the homemade molotov cocktails the snipers will be targeting those tanks the russians know that. so they are setting up this encirclement, which historically has not been a good thing for civili...

They don't care what's on the ground that that artillery hits. that's area fire weapons. it's not precise. it means it covers a large area. and the russians, truthfully, in many conflicts in the recent past, have not cared that much about civilian casualties. so you're seeing not only a president in putin who is invading another country against international law, but i think you're going to see if there is an attack, and god help us if there is, that there will be multiple casualties in the civilian populations throughout ukraine wherever they strike. >> we have about 30 second left. one of th...