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>> he was a private system and when trump allegedly defamed him and said the whole agency is against him, not true by the way, he came out and bought fire with fire back at him, the only thing i know in the battle over this as we pick and choose over which leaks are good and bad. any democrats, for example, want to know the source of these leaks that were bringing down hillary clinton and were not at all concerned after the fact when they were concerned where it came from so all i'm saying is there's no consistency on this issue. >> i say our country is great because were having this conversat...

Strength which works for him, but the problem is that it only works with so many people within the republican party, and that is why the floor and the ceiling are similar in the high 20s. >> and so, susan is deskrcribin what he does, and he will tweet out some outrageous lines around and the speeches and the like, but his opponents don't do that. is that to the disadvantage? might they improve their poll number numbers if they fought fire with fire? >> well, they are looking at folks who have dropped out of the race previously who attempted that strategy, and rick perry attempted to criticize ...

Endure before people called it. what it ills. is it because people are scared to tail the obvious? >> well, i think it's a mix of things. one, yes, they are afraid to state the obvious, and then also goes back to you can't fight a fight nice. and in other words, if i'm going to hit you, i'm going to knock you out, i'm going to hit you and knock you out but i really apologize for it but i'm going to hit you. no. you have to meet fire with fire. a lot of our military personnel are frustrated with our rules of engagement. we could have etchedded this a long time ago but because of our unease and ...

Changing the rules. he did take extraordinary steps. one thing conservatives will not deny or dispute about that is he was effective. >> you're saying he fought fire with fire. >> right. >> so let's talk about this. the other big news out of yesterday besides the retirement announcement. he announces he's retiring. within six hours we know the succession plan. he endorses chuck schumer to replace him. dick durbin backs out of that. how did this play out so quickly? >> it's not surprising that chuck schumer is the next in line or will likely replace harry reid as democratic leader. i think ever...

This is a guy that admitted he thought about suicide a couple times. >> but is that fair? >> is it fair? >> yeah. >> is it ever fair to be labeled that way? >> is it fair he would reveal that but then that would be used as justification, you know, as to why you weren't able to endure this treatment from others. >> not as far as you couldn't endure it. but it obviously wouldn't be grounds for not being able to work in that environment from a legal standpoint. but it is a mental health -- if he's got his house in order, he should be able to play. if he can answer fire with fire, because that's h...