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That as a sign that it's okay to go forward. that wouldn't be grounds for impeachment. and brian, frankly if that's not ground for impeachment obstruction of justice and abuse of office i don't know what is. >> nick, what do you think is going on in the office or the head of mr. mueller? do you think he is accelerating work at all because of any outside forces he may be witnessing? do you think he is witnessing the behavior of an innocent man. >> he certainly isn't witnessing the behavior of an innocent man. everything this president has done cries out guilt. i don't think he is doing anything...

Manipulated. it's to get him more power and it's to get him more money. he couldn't care less what the law is as long as he can manipulate it. >> paul butler, i know you're of the belief that the whole notion of maybe firing jeff sessions is a trial balloon on the part of the president. can you explain to our audience how that might be. >> i think he is sending this message explicitly to senate and house republicans because they control the impeachment process. so if the result of his threats to fire sessions were from the republicans, over my dead body, then that would mean he won do it. but ...

Then that would mean that he wouldn't do it. but we're mot hearing that from people like paul ryan and the majority leader mcconnell. their response has been muted which suggests trump might take that as a sign that it's okay to go forward. that wouldn't be grounds for impeachment. and brian, frankly if that's not grounds for impeachment, for obstruction of justice and abuse of office, i don't know what is. >> nick, what do you think is going on in the office or the head of mr. mueller? do you think he's accelerating his work at all? because of any outside forces he may be witnesses? do you th...

This is a guy that admitted he thought about suicide a couple times. >> but is that fair? >> is it fair? >> yeah. >> is it ever fair to be labeled that way? >> is it fair he would reveal that but then that would be used as justification, you know, as to why you weren't able to endure this treatment from others. >> not as far as you couldn't endure it. but it obviously wouldn't be grounds for not being able to work in that environment from a legal standpoint. but it is a mental health -- if he's got his house in order, he should be able to play. if he can answer fire with fire, because that's h...