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Think he probably could have gotten -- sessions could have gotten away with not firing him. but if you turn and watch another channel, andrew mccabe is one of the main figures that they go after constantly as an example of what's going on at the fbi. >> he's the foil. >> there is some merit to it, though, yes, andrew mccabe has a long history and he's done a lot of good but he's also gotten himself caught up in some political decisions and what he's being accused of, and what the fireable offense is, is something that i think is warranted. you can't authorize leaks to try to, you know, it was ...

Likely to determine that taking that step is more trouble than it's worth. and i think that's what it it's going to come down to. >> wow. >> that's my guess, but that's -- >> i'm not so sure. >> you're not so sure. were you in the meeting in my office? i kind of thought the same thing, ken. who knows. >> well, you know, i think if this -- if the president of the united states hadn't come out and tweeted against andrew mccabe the way he has, then i think he probably could have gotten -- sessions could have gotten away with not firing him. but if you turn and watch another channel, andrew mccabe...