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Happened? >> it doesn't look like it. frankly, dr. fauci has a problem acknowledging it did happen after the fact. jillian: let's pull up this quote. in june dr. fauci testified that he didn't know why the grant had been canceled and this reads, quote, why was it canceled, it was canceled because the nih was told to cancel it. i don't know the reason but we were told to cancel it. look, you introduced the fired act. you're trying to get dr. fauci out of there. you're not necessarily the only one. i guess the question is, do you think we ultimately -- and if he yes, how do we get to the bottom ...

That carry covid-19 that could have been the source of the transmission to humans thus far? >> thus far, none. the intermediate host, if there is one, has not yet been found. >> and we've been looking for that intermediate host, is that fair to say? >> that is fair to say, sir. >> at what point in time would it become more likely it came from a lab if we don't find an intermediate animal host? how much longer? >> i don't think he can give a time element on that, senator, for the simple reason that we still have not yet confirmed what the host is from ebola. >> but we believed that ebola did no...