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Public opinion is turning against the unions. these were the two most aggressive pension reforms and basically, union reforms that we've seen and there was a thumbs up from the voters, in san diego and san jose. >> did you ever notice before the debate, dagen, and when we were doing this, you're taking firefighters pensions away andman's pensions away. no, you're asking them to kick in more. and that it would still be much less than what private workers have to kick in. and this would extend to health care benefits and all. so, nothing is being taken away. but, it's always framed that way and ...

So use this system to basically make a lot of money but not create any wealth for the country. he knows what he's doing here politically. >> this is a political play. you asked if it is fair game. i suppose it is. it's not fair in the sense that you can't judge the free market system or one person's career in that free market system by a very small slice of it. you can't take a few people, talk to them and say do you like this guy or don't like this guy? did this deal work or not work? i'm not here to defend bain. bain is looked at as a respected company that has grown value for their investor...

Country. he knows what he's doing here politically. >> this is a political play. you asked if it is fair game. i suppose it is. it's not fair in the sense that you can't judge the free market system or one person's career in that free market system by a very small slice of it. you can't take a few people, talk to them and say do you like this guy or don't like this guy? did this deal work or not work? i'm not here to defend bain. bain is looked at as a respected company that has grown value for their investors and their investors are people like teachers pensions, firefighters pensions, univer...

South carolina. if romney can't defend himself there he is going to have a lot of problems later on. >> you know, politics is usually as much about emotion as about the head. it can be head versus heart. heart usually wins. this is not going to be an easy case for mitt romney to make on an emotional level. >> it is going to be a case he has to make. he has to be able to rise above it and he's going to have to have people talk about what a good job he did as a member of the free market system. he is going to have to find a way to convince people that the net experience that he's had has been po...

Collar argument. we believe in free enterprise, we didn't like people who are basically bandits who use the system, they make a lot of money, but not create any wealth for the country. he knows what he's doing here politically. >> this is a political play. and you asked me is it fair game, and i suppose it is, but it's not fair in the sense that you conditions judge the free market system or one person's career in that free market system by a very small slice of it. you can't take a few people talking to him saying you like this guy or don't like this guy, did this deal work or not work, you h...