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Coconspiracy as the president is, and in very where wrongdoing, law breaking relating to corruption of his own election would be a grave mistake. i agree with the majority leader that jeff sessions ought to stay where he is and i think that a number of my colleagues, i can tell you this point very bluntly. i've talked to a none my colleagues, i think there would be holy hell to pay, that's a red line. >> do you think if sessions is gone, one way or another, either he resigns or under pressure or the president fires him, a new attorney general could be confirmed by the senate? >> never say neve...

But if the president fires him, he is in a box. i can hear it now, saturday night massacre analogies all over the place. he does not have an attorney general, never had one. the biggest abuse of powerer ca. only happens about taxicab medallions and bank loan applications. >> right. the president of the united states was and is entitled to a fully-engaged attorney general.. he has never had that. jeff sessions made a terrible mistake. besides accepting the job knowing he would have to recuse himself in the single most important matter. as soon as he became attorney general, jeff sessions should...

If the president fires him, or keeps him, i think the president might still have a problem. which choice would be better? >> oh, there's no question that the wrong choice is firing him. it is possible to build a case of obstruction against yourself, even if you didn't commit the original crime. it is hard to do. but this president could very well achieve that. and the problem is that firing rosenstein is not just the wrong thing to do, it wouldn't work. rosenstein's an institutional player. he is doing what anyone would have done in that position. you can't get rid of the rosenstein problem wi...

Trump interview and a deadline perhaps looming with rosenstein's departure. he's got to write that report. press send, get it to rosenstein and he gets it to congress for possibly impeachment or send it to court. who will replace rosenstein and what would they do with such a report? would they just put it in their top drawer and close the door. >> let me bring in on that point. if rosenstein does go, if the president fires him, do we have a sense who is next? >> that's a good question. technically in the line of succession -- it would go to the number three. at this point that's an acting posi...

For "the boston herald," and harry litman and deputy assistant attorney general under president clinton. kimberly, i'll start with you. when i read that piece about jeff sessions getting a bulletproof vest with his name on it, the guys in my studio resigned themselves to a sad laughter. is that the state of affairs that we have an attorney general who is just going to take it from the president? he doesn't care he's not moving? >> yeah, i think the one thing you can describe the attorney general about all of this, all of the hits that the president keeps sending his way is unbothered. unless t...