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>> jonathan, you're a former secret service agent and law enforcement analyst, and based on the information we are getting from the el paso police department, from the mayor, from the state representatives and other authorities including local media, what do you think? >> i want to jump back to the video that we saw from inside the walmart where we heard the gun fire. what we did not hear in the gun fire was a rapid burst. a fully automatic or three-round burst. what we heard was a very systematic, firing process, one, two, three. to me that's indicative of target acquisition and someone that'...

Released. if it was someone else at the justice department, if it was say the attorney general, that would raise real questions in my mind. i think the way the attorney general has acted in this case kind of rushing through this firing process so it could happen right before mccabe retired i think was a bit of a suspicious action on his part. if he had anything to do with the timing of this release, i think you might raise questions about whether it had anything to do with the timing of james comey's book coming out. >> i can answer that question, i think. we've heard this was coming now for t...

Through a firing process through the federal government office of personnel management or if he just was fired because he never took the job and that was easier. it's a moot point at this point. he was a member of the federal government by virtual of his position at the xm bank. just not the white house. >> neil: it's more of a hypothetical question. if you think he had never given that new yorker interview, whether he was thought he was on the record or not, but it was a doozy for the ages, you think things would be different today? >> it's possible. as i said, there were two issues. the chai...

Culture that still remains at the v.a.? >> i think it's -- thank you for having me, pete. pete: um-huh. >> i think it says that the president is trying to move v.a. in the right direction but unfortunately he doesn't have a lot of support from the leadership who should have handled the firing process better so that the president's wishes would have been properly executed. remember that president trump inherited this mess from president obama and secretary shulkin who was over the hospital i hav v.a. and should e fired this guy a year ago. pete: i have to push you on that a little bit. one inst...

Process. >> how much longer is lois lerner going to be able to collect her paycheck without testifying or providing information? >> the law on that is horrendous, lawmakers looking at chan changing this how they can do this and doesn't affect their pay or job. she's finally not able to access her computers. we don't know how long and they could be going through the firing process. the big question, will lois lerner, maybe she was cautious at first, because of carter hull, is she going to cut a deal getting immunity from criminal prosecution wouldn't involve a civil suit. if she testifies imagi...