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He's somebody who has been interviewed in this sort of private investigation that bezos has funded. so it may be all of these geopolitical political forces or it may come down to something much more personal or some combination thereof. >> i agree that we don't have any evidence. as i said at the outset, you know, that would led us to firm conclusions, but there are other data points, and one of them is a 100-page publication called "the new kingdom." it was put out by ami, the owner of "national enquirer," that just slobbered all over mbs in a way that, you know, was reporting that they -- we...

Before the ipo in 2012 and didn't draw firm conclusions. were they worried specifically about this country or worrying about other countries? >> our understanding is russia in particular. 2011 and 2012, even then were reports that russian intelligence in their own country were exploiting social media to put down social protest and arrest again and unrest against putin. were wise that this could be a problem. >> jared kushner's pension to forgetting things that relate to russia? >> it will be interesting to see how much of this sticks and how. somebody who has glided through life pretty easily ...