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To that idea that maybe negotiation is a path forward. i just think that none of them still to this -- as we sit here now, they don't know how many members negotiation will actually need. >> i'm going to push back on that a little bit. they came on tv and said that. they also note that kevin mccarthy and his allies are seeing him say that. kevin mccarthy has had weeks to wrap this up. >> years. >> i do not think there is going to be some 11th hour miracle. right now i think there are five firm nos. >> yeah. >> and he can't get there with five firm nos. i think today with ken buck, we saw the b...