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Really sort of the point of the book -- i spoke to people who spoke to the president on a daily, sometimes minute-by-minute basis. so this book was really -- i mean, in a sense, in a sense there was one question on my mind when i began this book. what is it like to work with donald trump? how can you work with donald trump? and what is the -- how do you feel having worked with donald trump? >> and i want to get to the substance of what you've written in the book in a moment. just to clear this up, because the president is saying it's full of lies. that you didn't have the access you said you h...

Has disparaged the president and yet now in the last couple of days says he's a great man and nothing can separate us. what's bannon doing here? >> the president has tried to put this, this book is about steve bannon. let me say very forthrightly, this book is not about steve bannon. this book is about donald trump. as far as steve bannon, and i spoke to steve as i spoke to many people throughout the length of the reporting here, and really saw a -- a transformation. not only of steve but of -- of everyone, but steve in the way is most vivid or his language is, is the most vivid. and the trans...