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Against government records to see if those folks are here illegally. so why hasn't this gotten the attention that the arizona law has? steven is directer of research at the center for immigration studies, and francisco hernandez is an immigration attorney. all right, gentlemen, thanks for being here. stephen, it's the feds' program. the feds like this program, and, you know, to their credit, many would say, they're taking steps to try to get the information funneled up when the locals arrest illegals and take the fingerprints, they run it against the database, they identify as illegals and the...

Them. >> absolutely. megyn: yeah. because the doj needs to prove to this judge that arizona's law does not mirror the federal law and that it actually interferes with or impedes federal law. stephen, go ahead. first stephen, then back to you. >> i have been saying for -- megyn: francisco, stand by. first steven and then you. >> look, you make a great point. just what it does is it makes now a state violation what is also a federal violation. and it gives the local police a way of arresting someone who they think is in the united states illegally. it'll ultimately be up to the federal governmen...