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It's absolutely unheard of in hollywood and entertainment. alec did say there's occasions he hands off to the first a.d., the armorer should be there and be there to arrange the blocking, show him where to point the gun, make sure there's no people where that is, remind him to keep finger off the trigger until he's ready to fire. and why were there dummy rounds in the gun in blocking rehearsal? should have been empty or a rubber gun. >> in the interview, not just from alec but in the handling of the gun, did you see negligence in that? in the process? is that what you're saying? >> it's not fo...

Layers are mind-boggling. when he said he pulled the hammer back but didn't pull the trigger, well, how did the hammer come forward? design of the gun, 150-year-old design, a modern reproduction. was it entirely unreliable gun, you pull the hammer back and it just goes forward? i'd like to get a look at that. claim of plinking, no credence has been given to it since it came out. he said the armorer was not in the room when rehearsing the scene. that's most alarming thing to me. as armorer, we stay with the gun. there's a relationship between the armorer and actor and nobody can get in between ...

>> and a chain of custody is what i meant, in the chain of custody, did you see a problem with that? >> yeah. why was the -- in the affidavit i read, it said the first a.d. handed the gun to baldwin on the set. why was that? why was the first a.d. acting as armorer. the armorer reports she was not allowed on the set because of too many bodies. should never be allowed to happen. armorer should be last to hand it off to actor and be there all times when it's in action. >> dutch, you and sharon, stick by, we have more of the observe. alec was criticized for not checking the gun. we'll hear his re...

>> well, first of all, this story just seems to get more and more bizarre as it unfolds, the layers are mind-boggling. when he said he pulled the hammer back but didn't pull the trigger, well, how did the hammer come forward? design of the gun, 150-year-old design, a modern reproduction. was it entirely unreliable gun, you pull the hammer back and it just goes forward? i'd like to get a look at that. claim of plinking, no credence has been given to it since it came out. said the armorer was not in the room when rehearsing the scene. that's most alarming thing to me. as armorer, we stay with th...

Filmmaking is the armorer has custody of the gun and ammunition at all times. >> and chain of custody is what i meant, in the chain of custody, did you see a problem with that? >> yeah. why was the -- in the affidavit i read, said the first a.d. handed the gun to baldwin on the set. why was that? why was the first a.d. acting as armorer. the armor reports she was not allowed on the set because of too many bodies. should never be allowed to happen. armorer should be last to hand it off to actor and be there all times when it's in action. >> dutch, you and sharon, stick by, we have more of the o...