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>> how would you have eric hold erred and the president answer a question, then, if he is asked about it in an interview. how would you have him answer it without talking about race when he is asked about race? >> by not stoking the fire when it comes to the issue of race baiting. what he basically did is a shot across the bow saying if you criticize us too much, you might be a racist. i mean, that's what some means in that scenario. >> that is not what some means in that scenario. you just made that up. >> hang on, ben. hold on. stop, stop, stop, stop. >> let me finish. let me finish. let me ...

Without talking about race when he is asked about race? >> by not stoking the fire when it comes to the issue of race baiting. what he basically did is a shot across the bow saying if you criticize us too much, you might be a racist. i mean, that's what some means in that scenario. >> that is not what some means in that scenario. you just made that up. >> hang on, ben. hold on. stop, stop, stop, stop. >> let me finish. let me finish. let me finish what i'm saying. it's not disingenuous. you and i disagree on it here. the president of the united states of america is smart enough, and eric holde...