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Mind's eye? i think of him being released from prison in 1990. leaving those prison gates with his arm up and that extraordinary moment when the world saw him for the first time. is there -- you knew him personally, is there an image you had in your mind? >> there is so many. but i think -- open face, open mind. and big laughing mouth. and more that than the fist in the air actually, for me. and you know, people say why are we paying so much attention to this man's passing. what do you say so somebody who may not understand, who hadn't been here, who doesn't remember? >> he represents in a way...

>> is there an image of nelson mind's eye?t you have in your i think of him being released from prison in 1990. leaving those prison gates with his arm up and that extraordinary moment when the world saw him for the first time. is there -- you knew him personally, is there an image you had in your mind? >> there is so many. but i think -- open face, open mind. and big laughing mouth. and more that than the fist in the air actually, for me. and you know, people say why are we paying so much attention to this man's passing. what do you say so somebody who may not understand, who hadn't been here...

May not understand, who hadn't been here, who doesn't remember? >> he represents in a way, the fist turning into a hand shake. that -- i think that is why he is so important to understand right now. he was not dr. king, he was not gandhi, he was a boxer. he was a fighter. and that he wanted to stop fighting to make peace with his enemy and risk everything to do so. he gave up his -- his wife, and his family. he put everything on the line. he won everything with that. except as he says himself, the only thing the enemy took from me was my marriage. but now, if you spend time with her, she is an...